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Thursday, August 10, 2006

DO YOU GET IT NOW??

Mass murder on an unimaginable scale... indefensible. These terrorists don't care about religion. They don't want to "talk" or "negotiate". And you can't reason with them and there is no level of appeasement that does not require your death or complete subjugation.
DO YOU GET IT NOW?
THEY.DO.NOT.CARE.
THEY.JUST.WANT.(YOU)(ME)(US).DEAD.
D-E-A-D.
DEAD.
The plot as we all know by now involved British born young men of Pakistani descent (the first stories said Muslim, but that "civil rights organization" CAIR must have gotten out the "we're so offended" message early 'cause the "Muslim" thing disappeared from the airwaves right quick) to bring liquid explosives onto planes and detonate the bombs in mid-flight on UK flights bound for the USA... more than 20 arrests made with continuing apprehensions and investigations...

So MILLIONS of people are inconvenienced, flights cancelled, time and money lost... and it just makes me want to ask the following:

Why aren't we just prohibiting young middle eastern men from traveling?? Perhaps if we inconvenienced the entire middle eastern population enough they would start cooperating and policing their own communities and become intolerant of those in their communities that preach hate and death under the protections of "freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion".
I don't believe "profiling" is tantamount to discrimination. If someone said today, "Some Japanese men will bomb Pearl Harbor" do you think we'd be looking for white, middle-aged women? I think if you want to claim discrimination you should have to prove long term detriment -- and not just an extra 20 minutes getting searched before you board an airplane -- especially a plane I'm on or my kids are on or my family or friends are on! I'm not promoting that they be put in interment camps for heaven's sake (although if this crap continues I could be swayed...), just that we come to our senses and get over the whole "we might offend someone" thing.
Do you think that woman with the two small children on that plane plumeting into the sea would care whether she had been offended when we stopped her husband or brother and asked their intentions? If she is more concerned about her being offended than the safety of her children, she should take a car or a train. And as Lisa's Mama told her, "Walking ain't crowded." I care enough about my safety AND hers to tell them all to "get over it." What's that saying, "Put your big [girl] [boy] panties on and deal with it."
Frankly, if someone said that they had reason to believe that 50-something, grey-haired, white American women with a Chicago accent posed a threat, I'd be the first to say, "Not me. Come take a look."
I'm not saying that all middle eastern men are guilty -- but we know that SOME are. I'm sorry you're in that group. And frankly, I don't give a damn that you're offended. You can do something about this, but you don't so now we all have to live with the consequence.
DO YOU GET IT NOW?
And I just have to wonder if the Brits caught these guys and saved thousands of lives because they tracked the money and listened to phone calls from known terrorists to British citizens??

15 Comments:

At 8/10/2006 1:37 PM , Blogger Call Me Grandma said...

Now maybe the people who still remain in LaLa land will see it for what it is...World War III

 
At 8/10/2006 3:32 PM , Anonymous realist said...

You are partly right, but I still don’t think you really get it. This is the real war on terror, fought by police, intelligent services, informers and all the resources of efficient law enforcement.

It doesn’t need fighter jets, aircraft carriers, and 100,000 plus troops running around Iraq trying to stop a civil war.

 
At 8/10/2006 5:10 PM , Blogger Soldier's Dad said...

realist,

Having served my time in the GWOT some 25+ years ago. What we really need is not 100,000 troops running around the Middle east, we need 10 Millions troops running around the Middle East, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Syria etc.

Unfortunately, in a democracy majority rules, and drafting 10 Million men for a fight for the survival of mankind is just not going to happen until the Iranians start lobbing nukes.

But hey...if it takes 40 or 50 million dead to get people to wake up...thats what it takes.

 
At 8/10/2006 5:22 PM , Blogger Nicholas said...

Law enforcement is a "band-aid solution". It stops the cut bleeding, but does nothing about the maniac with the knife attacking you.

Military action in the ME to shift the culture of hate into something more constructive is attacking the root causes. Is it a successful strategy for taking care of them? I think so, in the long run, but I could be wrong. There are other ways of going about it. But I'm less sure they would work.

As for the topic of the original post - I agree that profiling is not necessarily "racist". Hell, racism is an unwarranted mistreatment of someone based on their race. For example, if you did a study of driver ability, and you found asian people were were drivers on average (I have no idea if this is true - it may well not be - this is hypothetical), it would not be racist to report that. It WOULD be racist if you made the assertion with absolutely no evidence. Similarly if you just liked harassing middle eastern men, that would be wrong, but when enough of them are terrorists it's simply common sense.

Anyway I sympathise with what SSM has to say, but I'm not sure that I agree that if you inconvenience Middle Eastern Men they will be angered, suddenly "get it" and start turning in the bad apples in their ranks. I don't think their culture works like that, and that's the problem. They have a history of blaming problems on everyone but themselves. Usually the Jews or those Evil Americans. Until we can get these people to have a bit of humility and recognize that they are part of the solution to terrorism that type of thing won't necessarily be constructive.

Don't get me wrong, some of them do care and act to stop terrorism. But I don't believe it's nearly enough of them yet.

 
At 8/10/2006 5:58 PM , Anonymous realist said...

Solder’s dad:

You make my point exactly. Bush isn’t serious about the GWOT it’s all talk. No conscription, no tax increases, no sacrifices to the general population. All the strain on a wonderful group of volunteers who are overstretched and under resourced and being slowly ground down for (in Iraq) no reason. And don’t get me started about Afghanistan.

Nicholas:

Racial profiling never works. Think Richard Reid and plenty of other examples.

But law enforcement does work. Although the full story isn’t in yet it appeared to work here and would have worked pre 9/11 if so many hadn’t been asleep at the wheel.

But using military force alone to win hearts and minds? It will never work. Think Lebanon currently, think the Soviet’s Afghanistan experience.

Unless and until our leaders start thinking beyond bombs and bullets alone we are going to be in an endless war that we can never win.

 
At 8/10/2006 7:47 PM , Blogger Soldier's Dad said...

Realist,

I've been banging the same drum for 25 years. The drum doesn't play on the hill. Maybe the Salami Approach(cutting off a small slice, and eventually the salami is gone) will work.

It's a really big maybe.

At least Bush had the ball's to cut off a small piece of Salami.

 
At 8/10/2006 8:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What would happen if we brought our Troops all home today?

A. We would all live happily ever after. Group hugs for everybody.

B. The terrorist would retake Iraq and then come over here.

I"m pretty sure choice A isn't the correct answer because they want us DEAD!!!

1st Cav Mom

 
At 8/10/2006 10:56 PM , Blogger Nicholas said...

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At 8/10/2006 10:58 PM , Blogger Nicholas said...

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At 8/10/2006 11:00 PM , Blogger Nicholas said...

Realist: Obviously not every single terrorist is of Middle Eastern appearance. But a large percentage of them are. For that matter, there are plenty of violent, problematic and psychologically disturbed people besides terrorists. But that doesn't make terrorism a non-threat in and of itself.

No, you won't get a 100% catch by only being suspicious of Middle Eastern men. But you might get say 75% or 90% by searching maybe 5% as many people.

Of course, what hasn't been discussed yet, is that if that happened it would create an incentive for terrorists to recruit people who do not fit the typical profile of a terrorist. I think that would be the case. But it would make their job harder, and I'm all for that.

Saying that just because SOME terrorists don't fit the racial profile that it's a useless technique is a bit silly. You'd have to show that the improved efficiency and ability to prevent terrorism was marginal whereas the problems it created were significant. I don't think you've shown that.

As for "using the military to win hearts and minds". I don't think you can win hearts and minds using the military in the short term. But there are a couple of things you can do: you can create a disincentive for harbouring and assisting terrorists, and you can attempt to change the culture which leads to the problem in the first place.

Changing the culture doesn't necessarily mean winning hearts and minds, although if we can that would be nice. It also means re-adjusting their societies so that they're less pathological. For example, I believe much of the frustration whichi leads to terrorism has oppression as its root cause. Remove that oppression and even if they still hate our guts, it will make taking the violence to us less appealing. Instead those who would do us violence will have avenues available to them to better their standing in the world. Perhaps their selfishness will overwhelm their violent feelings and they can channel their aggression into become wealthy and improving the standard of their life, which might ultimately moderate their views.

Personally I don't really care what people think of me/us as long as they don't come over here and try to kill us. Or each other, for that matter.

I don't think Middle Easterners are really any more violent than anyone else, I think too many of them channel their aggression in the wrong direction though. It would be much better if someone who felt like blowing themselves up in a pizza parlour watched a violent movie or played a video game instead.
By the way, thanks for disagreeing with me in such a polite manner. I really appreciate it.

 
At 8/10/2006 11:19 PM , Blogger Nicholas said...

Quick additional comment: I don't think racial profiling is a "nice" thing to do. I'm also not sure that I would support it if there was some kind of referrendum. However, I don't think terrorism is "nice" either and I suspect the harm of racial profiling, in terms of inconveniencing those people who are unfortunately from the same places that terrorists are (and who don't deserve the treatment) is going to be less than the harm of a single terrorist act.

That is, given the choice between being rude to some people, and having innocent people blown to pieces or shot up or otherwise horribly killed, I think I'd pick the rudeness option.

 
At 8/11/2006 2:06 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too am a white 50-something Army mom and I agree with every word you said. We said in cubeworld yesterday - who doesn't NOW believe we're in a global war against terrorism? Raise your hands. The Libs were strangely quiet. What will it take to convince the LaLa Land population that we have to proactively defend and protect freedom for all people...not just ourselves?

 
At 8/11/2006 6:21 PM , Blogger mister said...

To "live free" means to be able to control your own life
and to avoid violence, or the threat of violence, by others.
What you do and how you do it will almost always determine
whether or not freedom will be yours. But YOU must take the
responsibility for creating your own freedom. No one,
especially the "government" will do it for you.
To "disappear" means to make it impossible for other
people to invade your personal world of freedom. Since most
of such invasion is by means of electronic data gathering and
cross-referencing, you must be able to short-circuit these
procedures effectively.

The most efficient method today is through the use of
what we call "alternate identification". If the new names
and numbers you plug into the networks don't match
the old ones, you have not only "disappeared", but have also
been "reborn". And being reborn means leaving your past records
where they can no longer affect you and your lifestyle.

This "disappearing" of individuals is obviously discomforting
to institutions and governments determined to control
personal activities in the Land of the Free. To them
it appears downright seditious, since in reality their power
depends directly on the number of people they can control --
through computerized records, of course.

To those who actually "disappear", however, the act is
one of tremendous personal liberation. Free men owe very
little to those who restrict opportunities on the basis of past
records. An extreme example, which nevertheless applies
to all of us, is this: When a person convicted of a felony
has served his full sentence, is he then "free"? Hardly.
What he will experience is really a LIFE SENTENCE of second-rate
opportunity.

And what happens to the convict, in practice, happens to
*everyone* who manages to have negative personal information
placed in his "records". When it comes to the point of a
person's having to live with a condemning past and ever-
narrowing opportunities, it becomes easily understandable
why he should be willing and anxious to scuttle his labeled
identity and take on another.

Becoming a new identity, however, involves many things
and requires careful attention to detail, as we shall show.
At the heart of this process, though, is the ATTITUDE a person
must assume if he is to make it work. He must forget
about his "government"; he must become his own government,
answerable only to himself, with his own rules, laws, and
systems of behavior. This is an existential "moment" few
are disciplined enough to experience, but it can be done.
The result will be a growing detachment from BIG BROTHER and
a correspoding increase of personal freedom.

The individual needn't worry about what would happen "if
everybody else did this" because they WON'T. The object is
for individuals, acting as individuals, to declare their
mental independence from whatever System is attempting to
enslave them. As individuals they are the best judges of what
degree of slavery they can accept, how far down the road
they can go before becoming robots for BIG BROTHER. Simply
put, it's the Sheep and the Wolves. The Sheep go to slaughter,
the Wolves wherever they wish...

There are numerous intermediate tactics between total
compliance and complete disappearance, such as refusing to
give your Social Security number (or giving it incorrectly),
avoiding taxes, obtaining several foreign citizenships and
passports, setting up bank accounts in several other countries,
and planning at least two routes of escape to other countries,
but in the end you will discover there really is no freedom
in the world -- *YOU MUST CREATE YOUR OWN*. You must
learn how to protect your own rights as you define them. No
one else will do it for you, *NO ONE*.
The object of this publication is to suggest ways an
individual can, in practice, escape his past and secure a
new future, *on his own terms*. Individuals will vary greatly
in how they carry out their disappearances, and it is our
hope that the ideas we present here are useful towards those
ends. We make no claims of completeness or of exhausting
the subject, as that could be potentially dangerous were
individuals to rely solely on this information.

We must stress that everyone should think over his situation
as carefully as possible, and then pick and choose
which among our methods are best suited for his needs. Above
all, he must begin using his head, trusting his hunches and
instincts, and thinking of himself as separate, different,
and even superior to those stuck in the System. He will
have to become a Wolf. He must stand alone to be free.

 
At 8/11/2006 6:52 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok, mister... there is some serious tinfoiling going on here... you need to get a grip 'cause you are not livng in the real world...

 
At 8/13/2006 9:46 PM , Anonymous Mamabear said...

And the people said

"AMEN"

 

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